No codes, no clues?
Forever the codebreaker, 2019 Top Technician winner Neil Currie shows what to do when there are no codes at all
Published: 17 March, 2020
Have you ever had a car in with a running fault or an issue, and you plugged the diagnostic tool into the OBD socket then read for trouble codes, only to be met with the message ‘no faults stored’?
For many reasons, this confuses technicians and stops them being able to progress with the job. They have no clues or starting point to work from. However, many other tests can be done to find the root cause of the issue. I have worked with many a technician who has been lost after finding a ‘no fault found’ message. I recently had a job where I was able to demonstrate to my colleague how knowing some numbers and how systems work and interlink can help identify what is wrong.
Call-out
The vehicle in question was a 2012 Land Rover Discovery 4. As we specialise in LR we have built up a good reputation in the area for being able to fix them, having also invested in dealer tooling and information. The customer’s first contact with us was via telephone and he explained he had parked the vehicle up outside his house and then having come to it the next day it would not start. The engine would turn over but it would not fire into life. He informed us his local garage had come out for a look and had been unsuccessful in finding the cause and recommended getting the vehicle recovered to us. He asked our call-out charge and asked for us to come and take a look before he organised recovery. This is not my favourite type of job as with limited tooling there is only so much you can do but we agreed to go and take and look and see what we could find.
No fault codes stored
Along with my colleague Jamie we went to the customer’s house that afternoon, taking a scan tool and the tool kit in our work van. Once we arrived we spoke to the customer to gather some information about the problem. He told us no recent work had been carried out on the vehicle and the other garage had done some basic tests on the battery and fuel system where it sat but could not find an issue. I sat in the vehicle and cranked the vehicle to verify the complaint, doing this also allowed a few checks to be done by listening to the sound of the engine cranking. A trained ear can pick up a compression issue, whether it is spinning fast enough or anything mechanical which doesn’t sound correct.
On this vehicle though all sounded ok. I then let Jamie do some checks to see what he could find. As a younger technician he mainly does MOT and general service work, so it was a good opportunity to possible teach him something along the way without the distraction of a busy workshop. After some basic checks he decided to plug in the scan took and see if any fault codes were stored. Upon carrying out a fault code report he was met with the message ‘no fault codes stored’. I then asked him what his thoughts were and where we go next. His reply was “I don’t know?” I am sure this has happened to some of you reading this article, we have all been there.
Live data
I explained to him that live data was a key element here and we should use it to our advantage. We need to look for data relevant to the complaint to rule out what it can’t be, and knowing what the numbers mean will do this quickly. Unfortunately, this takes years of looking at good data, taking notes and memorising it. Luckily for him, I was able to assist. My first checks were to be engine RPM, fuel pressure, immobiliser status, cam/crank synchronisation and a plausibility check of all temperature and pressure sensors to make sure they were in spec. Working through them all with ignition on, then cranking everything looked good so the engine should start but why wouldn’t it? This is where it pays to step back for a moment and evaluate what you know already and what you should do next.
Smoke/air pressure
An engine in its simplest form is an air pump. We know it needs compression, fuel and air to run. With what seemed to be good compression, and from what I had heard, also good data from the scan tool, with limited resources, I decided the next test would be to see if any smoke was being emitted from the tail pipes. This would show if there was any sign of fuel delivery to the engine. With good RPM and fuel pressure, if the ECU is happy, it should be firing the injectors. There was no smoke, however when I felt the tail pipes there was no air pressure whatsoever from either tail pipe. Was this a clue to where the issue may lie?
My first thought was we have a restriction and the engine cannot breathe, so we are missing the air section of the triangle for the engine to run. I then had a good visual inspection of the engine. Knowing the design well, I decided to open the inlet up to atmosphere by removing the map sensor to see if there was any change. If there was a blockage, this test would prove it and allow the engine to run. In this vehicle, the engine is a V6, so it uses a conventional V configuration. To allow air to flow into both intakes of each bank there is what Land Rover call an intake throttle manifold which also houses the MAP sensor, the EGR inlet pipework and a throttle butterfly flap with a rubber hose to direct air from the intercooler into the manifold (fig1). Removing the MAP sensor would allow air to be released if there was an issue from either EGR valve or upstream from the intake i.e. throttle butterfly, failed turbo just to name a few. On removing the sensor and cranking the engine it now fired into life and idled fairly well, this confirmed we had a blockage somewhere manifold side starving the engine of air.
Throttle butterfly flap
Checking the clock, we still had some time left allotted for the call out. I decided as it was easy to remove the intake hose to the intake throttle manifold just to see as a quick test if the issue was before or after. Upon removing the pipework and refitting the map, the engine no would not start, again proving the issue was on the engine side of the pipework. Removing the air intake plenum to the throttle manifold then revealed the issue. The throttle butterfly flap used to strangle the engine of air on shutdown had jammed shut and never reopened as the housing was heavily covered in carbon. This butterfly, when working correctly, should spring back open ready for the next engine start. Questioning the customer and his driving style revealed he mostly done slow speed and town driving and used supermarket fuel, all of which were a contributing factor to the issue as the valve sits closely to the flow of EGR gas from both valves. Forcing the valve open and refitting the components allowed the vehicle to be driven back to the workshop for a repair to be carried out.
Upon the removal of the entire assembly (fig2), it was found the unit would be better to be replaced as cleaning would not remove all of the carbon deposits and could cause the issue to re-occur. The EGR pipework was also removed and cleaned as a preventive measure along with an oil and filter change and the vehicle was returned to the customer.
Further learning
Why were there no fault codes stored you ask? Well on this engine the position off the butterfly flap is monitored and it should have stored a stuck closed fault but this may not be part of the software’s strategy so I am unable to answer why. However, this article shows that if you have an issue and no faults are stored, there are tests you can do to find the issue. So next time you have a scan tool connected, grab for example 10 good live data PIDs and store them then learn them off by heart. Once you have mastered that section move onto some more and soon you will build up a good mental library of what good data should be, which helps massively to fix cars!
- No code; No problem?
By Darren Darling
The challenge: A 2009 VW Golf 2.0 TDI with recurring DPF problems and no fault codes stored.
This low mileage Golf was presented to us after an unsuccessful trip to the main dealer where the customer was told there was nothing wrong with the car. The customer’s complaint was that the DPF warning light would illuminate every 100 miles; MPG was poor and the car was smoking excessively during regeneration (white smoke). As always, we carried out a thorough assessment of the vehicle to find out why the car was having these issues.
I suspected that the lack of any fault codes was the reason the owner was told that the car was fault-free but clearly we had an issue as the car should not be in regeneration so frequently. We quickly determined this was not caused by a blocked DPF as the DPF was very clean and there were no mechanical issues with the car.
Extended road test
Our next step was to carry out an extended road test while recording live serial data. If the customer had predicted correctly then we would see the DPF symbol illuminate in the next 20 miles or so. Sure enough, the light came on during the road test and the vehicle initiated DPF regeneration. This now gave us an opportunity to monitor the car during regeneration to see what was going on. We noticed that our temperatures during regeneration were too low and that the car did indeed smoke very badly.
Because of the low temperature, the duration of the regeneration was also excessive, taking over 40 minutes to complete. This is not uncommon and we have seen this caused by a software issue on many occasions. We then consulted our database and could see this exact problem with the software version so our next step was to carry out a software update and repeat the extended road test.
The car was noticeably smoother and quieter following the update but it did not initiate regeneration. Although a good sign, we had not seen any evidence yet that it had improved. So, we headed back to the workshop to carry out a forced regeneration so that we could monitor temperature, smoke and regen duration.
We were now happy with the temperatures; the excessive smoke had gone and the regen duration was back to normal. We were confident that the software update had fixed the car.
This job highlights the need for the independent workshop to invest in the correct tooling to carry out software updates because they are becoming more common. No unnecessary DPF cleaning was required to sort this DPF problem out and no parts were fitted to the car.
Another job done and another happy customer.
- Reasoning and diagnostics Part II
We began this journey last issue, so to recap: We need solid reasoning skills to carry out effective diagnostics; persistently good decision making doesn't happen by chance. Possibly out of convenience these skills are often underestimated and undervalued by people, both in and out of the trade. We must raise awareness of the discipline and precision of thought necessary for logical and critical thinking: so we can be better rewarded for our efforts; and to make sure they are consistently and properly applied.
Reasoning, arguments and hypotheses
We covered some fundamentals in my last article: we explain our reasoning using arguments, which contain statements supporting a conclusion; one type of argument, a deductive argument, should guarantee the truth of its conclusion (if it is sound); however, we need to use critical-thinking to check this, by making sure i) there are no other possible conclusions (which makes it a valid argument) and ii) the supporting statements are true.
- Snap-on: Vehicle system scan reports
The complete vehicle system scan reports offered by car diagnostic tools from Snap-on help technicians to get into good practices and give their customers peace of mind. Running a pre-scan before any vehicle work is done means any hidden issues can be located and the customer can be made aware of them from the outset. The pre-scan code identification helps speed the diagnosis and repair, and when it is followed by a post-scan after work is finished, the report confirms that all concerns were dealt with properly. Snap-on offers pre- and post-scan reports for technicians who own Snap-on diagnostic scan tools, including ZEUS, VERUS, MODIS, SOLUS and ETHOS families.
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- Lemförder switchable engine mounts
Under its Lemförder brand, ZF Aftermarket has introduced a range of switchable engine mounts for a number of Audi and Mercedes Benz models. Using an integrated air spring this can actuate two different characteristic curves depending on vehicle and rotational speed. The mounts are currently available for Audi and Mercedes-Benz vehicle models and includes the Audi A4, A5, A6, Q5, Q7 and Mercedes C and E Class, GLK, GLC. ZF Aftermarket recommends that all engine mounts always be replaced during repairs, not just the defective part. Otherwise, there is a risk that the new component will have to absorb higher forces and vibrations because the remaining mounts are already heavily worn which may accelerate subsequent damage.
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- VW Golf R mystery: part TWO
With the challenges of current vehicle engine technology, lack of access, and potential cost over value, the need for an accurate and reassuring diagnosis is vital. The technician should not allow cost or client pressure to influence the diagnosis or repair process. The ownership of the vehicle, fault, condition and repair cost is entirely the owner’s responsibility. Prior to any work, it essential that a legally enforceable agreed contract be in place.
This introduction may seem a little heavy, however it’s very likely that without a contract you may accumulate large labour cost in stripping engines to establish internal faults, then are refused agreement to complete repairs.
The answer, as is often the case, is new test techniques, training and continuing investment in technology. I recommend two options. First, a quality endoscope. Second, the Pico NVH kit.
Endoscope quality is governed by the number of optical fibres, a bright light at the boom tip the ability to articulate the mirror in multiple directions.
NVH monitoring
The next option and the focus of my topic is noise and vibration monitoring. So, let’s begin with the basics. Noise measured in decibels can be detected by changes in air pressure by three tiny bones in our ear, hammer, anvil, and stirrup. The frequency range is limited to around 20-22khz.
Vibration is the transmission of mass energy, measured with the unit gravity. It can be detected by sight, touch, or sound. There are three essential elements to vibration; 1) the source 2) the transfer path 3) the respondent.
A simple example may help; A tyre has an out of balance mass. The source, the energy, is transmitted through the road spring, shock absorber and the vehicle body. The transfer path, the dash panel, is vibrating, making it the respondent.
It is quite common to focus on the respondent instead of fixing the cause. You will have all seen mysterious weights attached to drive shafts and gear boxes. This simply transfers the frequency to a less intrusive value.
The motor vehicle is a series of mechanical systems in constant conflict. If we can identify the various frequencies across the entire operating range, we can identify the actual causes and predict potential critical failure non intrusively. Put simply we can see through metal, perhaps I should say the scope can.
Rules
Now for some simple rules. A heavy mass will always have a lower frequency than a light mass. For example, road wheel vibration, and exhaust resonance. The amplitude of vibration is affected by the transfer path, for example a light body panel, and engine block.
The distance from the source will affect frequency. Damping systems will reduce or arrest and cancel mass vibration, for example road wheel balance, dual mass flywheels, sound deadening body panels.
The next task is to separate the major vehicle components, engine rotation frequency, transmission frequency, and road wheel frequency. To achieve this, we enter specific vehicle data into the set-up wizard. Engine frequency is collected via a serial link. rotation speed divided by 60 = frequency in hz.
We can separate any frequency between 20-22khz and with a little maths relate the vibration to ancillaries, bearings, or normal generic background vibration signatures. For example, my Seat Cupra has adjustable suspension damping which totally transforms the ambient driver experience.
Environmental influences
This brings me to the next important consideration; environmental influences, the road surface, and driving style. To detect mass vibration, one or more three-dimensional accelerometers are attached to the vehicle, the location and attitude is crucial. A microphone may be added for ambient sound analysis, from this data the software will provide a choice of display options.
Now let’s look at that highly modified VW Golf R track car. The car is well known by us as we prepared and maintain it for a very proactive track day enthusiast. You know it too, as it was the subject of my article in the November issue of Aftermarket.
Producing well over 500bhp, the car boasts fully adjustable race suspension, a roll cage and Kevlar seats with trim removed. The Golf developed a severe vibration following a recent track event. The engine idles normally with no obvious problems, no noises and good oil pressure. Depressing the clutch and selecting gears has no effect.
Testing
Let’s review the images:
